tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post7980625768604281276..comments2023-11-06T20:02:55.793+01:00Comments on Iberty: Sorry, Sue Gardner, but the image filter question exactly asks, who is in charge.dirk frankehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06639913530360015486noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-40630511433018888502011-10-18T20:42:16.251+01:002011-10-18T20:42:16.251+01:00I am sure there will be some candidates, who try t...I am sure there will be some candidates, who try to be. I wonder if the Europeans can coordinate themselves to push one of those. I sure hope so.<br /><br />Maybe we should start already to form a loose network with this goal.dirk frankehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06639913530360015486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-48309120380640673382011-10-18T20:39:19.870+01:002011-10-18T20:39:19.870+01:00Do you think anyone will be champion of Euro 2012?...Do you think anyone will be champion of Euro 2012?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-67496944827866661292011-10-04T18:01:45.895+01:002011-10-04T18:01:45.895+01:00@Kellerkind: danke für den Hinweis.
@Cimon Avaro....@Kellerkind: danke für den Hinweis.<br /><br />@Cimon Avaro. Hey, wow, the great Cimon hilmself! The one I voted in any Board-election I could. Wow!<br /><br />@Russ Nelson: Don't you think it is a but unfortunate to equate a Vulva (a body part half of humanity has) with a "gaping wound" - something pathological, no one wants to have. A Vulva is no sign of sickness, and - differently from a gaping wound - a Vulva is something inherently good. <br /><br />So there is the other question. You put taste against reason. But what is more culturally determined, what less to decide on an abstract basis than - good and bad - taste? To editorially judge taste (and not content) is always probelmatic, and in my opinion, cross-cultural, it is almost impossible.dirk frankehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06639913530360015486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-36152061511698361992011-10-04T10:59:41.590+01:002011-10-04T10:59:41.590+01:00Sie wurden in einem französischen Meinungsbild erw...Sie wurden in einem französischen Meinungsbild erwähnt ;-)<br /><br />http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Sondage/Installation_d%27un_Filtre_d%27imageKellerkindnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-60306391046581798822011-10-02T12:32:33.309+01:002011-10-02T12:32:33.309+01:00http://lieselsartikel.wordpress.com/2011/10/02/bil...http://lieselsartikel.wordpress.com/2011/10/02/bildfilter/Lieselhttp://lieselsartikel.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-39492803110632152732011-10-01T15:42:27.141+01:002011-10-01T15:42:27.141+01:00"Would you show your mother this picture at t..."Would you show your mother this picture at the breakfast table?"<br /><br />Umm, yes! Why not? Seriously, it's neither gross nor shocking in any way.Cirdanhttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Cirdannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-52220243737307373912011-09-30T20:04:13.342+01:002011-09-30T20:04:13.342+01:00Kinda not out of context given that we're disc...Kinda not out of context given that we're discussing it, but I notice that you didn't link to it inline.Russ Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17586083637805291834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-19613248247372882802011-09-30T17:27:48.269+01:002011-09-30T17:27:48.269+01:00@Russ:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Screen...@Russ: <br /><br />http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Screenshot_vulva_de-wp.png<br /><br />Is this out of context?H-sttnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-7692243005691365002011-09-30T14:02:46.035+01:002011-09-30T14:02:46.035+01:00The problem, simply enough, is that the photo is t...The problem, simply enough, is that the photo is tasteless. Sex has nothing to do with people's objections to it. Do you want to see a picture of a gaping wound, or the road rash that I got three weeks ago? Maybe you do, but ONLY in context. Certainly NOT on the front page!<br /><br />"Would you show your mother this picture at the breakfast table?" If you hesitate before answering, then that photo should not be promoted out of context (and the front page of de.wp.o is definitely out of context).Russ Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17586083637805291834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-51721782129031030552011-09-30T11:46:47.560+01:002011-09-30T11:46:47.560+01:00This may be the last blow we need to finally quit ...This may be the last blow we need to finally quit the international Commons project and invent or own fork. At some point, this would have been necessary anyway: as soon as Wikimedia decides to enforce the silly URAA copyright legislature.<br /><br />We need a project that automatically imports all uploads to the international Commons with an include/exclude option for "European Commons" (or even better, single country Commons projcets) for trusted users, maybe automatically including those that are non-controversial.<br /><br />Uploads to the new Commons fork should also be uploaded more or less automatically Old Censored Commons.<br /><br />In so many years with millions to spend, Wikimedia hasn't even managed to make Commons categories multilingual. Why should we think that those people are even interested in any non-US point of view? Wikimedia Foundation is ruled by people who have lost touch to the community (or never had any).AndreasPraefckehttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:AndreasPraefckenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-2582578431899056622011-09-30T10:04:10.167+01:002011-09-30T10:04:10.167+01:00Actually the filter is intended to work with Commo...Actually the filter is intended to work with Commons' categories. People will have to categorize those pictures. So far on Commons there never was a big deal with edit warring and POV. Implementing that you'll see edit warring on Commons on many, many images.<br /><br />And, David, you certainly will see bots decategorizing the images from those filter categories. Okay, let's block them. Well, take another IP, start again. Image filter censors never will keep up with those de-categorizing. Filter censors very soon will lose interest in doing that sisyphos work because of there's actually no counter measure, except from blocking the files entirely. <br /><br />What next? Reuploading them with another filename, with other categories. Rename the file in the specific Wikipedias and the filter is circumvented. Commons and Wikipedia are open systems. The filter system will never work as wished. It's only a waste, such a big wast of time, of ressource and of money people are funding. See, I saw a school girl sending some 4 € or so during the last fund raiser, commenting she could not effort to send more but she did do at least that because she wanted to thank Wikipedia for helping her to manage her classes. I think spending of only one buck in devellopping an image filter is a slap in the face of that school girl. It's a slap into the face of people sending money because they want to support the thought of a free encyclopedia. (Indeed, I hope people will react to the image filter by not spending any money to the foundation and I hope the coming fundraiser will be much worse than the last.)<br /><br />Inventing an image filter is a betrayal of the thought of free information for all. And every supporter of the image filter within the WMF board is snitching what Wikipedia was standing for within its first decade.<br /><br />It's obviously that Sue Gardner isn't aware what's Wikipedia's role in our world. She's definitely the wrong person on the post. She did damage to the project. The trust into the foundation is gone. Sue Gardner should quit immidiately, actually yesterday it was already too late.Matthiasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-78567267092787214912011-09-30T09:22:56.831+01:002011-09-30T09:22:56.831+01:00David, I'm totally convinced that the de-commu...David, I'm totally convinced that the de-community will not enforce any such filter resolution. And you know what happens without enforcement. <br /><br />But the discussion is missing one important theater: Commons. The filter concept depend on categorizing images into nudity3 or islam1 - there will inevitably honest debates and huge amounts of POV-warring over playing those categories on commons. But commons does not have a community that is able to deal with these issues.<br /><br />The single point of failure of the filter concept is not in the Wikipedias but on Commons.H-sttnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-53129917751708054882011-09-30T08:47:23.738+01:002011-09-30T08:47:23.738+01:00Sorry. Just really sorry. I got really horny looki...Sorry. Just really sorry. I got really horny looking at all those sheep.Cimon Avarohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02415424790809611436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-92199673079626353202011-09-30T01:10:28.730+01:002011-09-30T01:10:28.730+01:00Danke euch Beiden - zumal ihr netter seid als ich ...Danke euch Beiden - zumal ihr netter seid als ich es wäre. Ich kann nur an Rücktrittsforderungen für Frau Gardner denken.Marcus Cyronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-15028780678795008812011-09-30T00:19:12.066+01:002011-09-30T00:19:12.066+01:00Dirk, Danke für diesen Beitrag.Dirk, Danke für diesen Beitrag.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-80805232850667281942011-09-29T21:50:20.550+01:002011-09-29T21:50:20.550+01:00Habe dazu jetzt einfach auch mal was geschrieben: ...Habe dazu jetzt einfach auch mal was geschrieben: http://achimraschka.blogspot.com/2011/09/story-about-vulva-picture-open-letter.htmlNecrophorushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07767757474312138232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-50945696564747864642011-09-29T17:25:23.137+01:002011-09-29T17:25:23.137+01:00David,
(1) the community won't accept it. I c...David,<br /><br />(1) the community won't accept it. I can't predict how far resistance will go, but some people will leave, some will sabotage and almost all of them won't cooperate with the foundation for a long time.<br /><br />(2) In the long run: probably decide that Americans are strange people with strange convictions anyway, and we can safely ignore them again.<br /><br />(3) Really not sure about commons. On the one hand, it's filter on a project used by Germans. On the other: those mobile-phone penis pictures would be deleted on de.wp in minutes.dirk frankehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06639913530360015486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-68001692836565819002011-09-29T17:01:29.800+01:002011-09-29T17:01:29.800+01:00David Gerard: Some Wikipedians will quit.
Some wi...David Gerard: Some Wikipedians will quit.<br /><br />Some will sabotage the categorisation process for years. <br /><br />Nobody will use the filter.Torstennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-66545621948670686632011-09-29T16:40:17.774+01:002011-09-29T16:40:17.774+01:00Die Haltung der WMF dazu ist (ich übertreibe jetzt...Die Haltung der WMF dazu ist (ich übertreibe jetzt maßlos): <br /><br />Ja, das war die erste Generation der Wikipedianer. Wenn wir unserer Mission Wissen nach Afrika und Indien zu bringen näher kommen wollen, müssen wir zur Not auf diese Leute verzichten.Torstennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3535591911701241767.post-2525859819872405162011-09-29T16:31:59.534+01:002011-09-29T16:31:59.534+01:00What do you think the de:wp community will do if t...What do you think the de:wp community will do if the filter is imposed?<br /><br />What do you think the de:wp community will do if the filter is imposed on en:wp but not on de:wp?David Gerardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13057086390864018760noreply@blogger.com